Technoviking, Bill didn't prove one valid point. He avoided the confrontation by making a stupid joke and by interrupting Dawkins.
Why do you think Bill cut to commercial when Dawkins was in the middle of a point?
He got owned because he had no explanation to give him.
He avoided confrontation due to the fact that he had no evidence to support his theory except for his blind faith.
"...so he got owned by avoiding confrontation?"
Well what the hell do you think? You are having a conversation/debate on a topic, and your only retort is to avoid valid responses and make jokes, interrupt someone from making theirs and cut the conversation short if it's plays toward the dislike of, not so much yourself, but the dislike of ones typical audience demographic, so as to appear that you have just won the debate when really you just turned it into a pointless argument. If you are a fan of the show, maybe you think Dawkins got "owned," but if you have any commonsense, you'll realize that Bill-O was acting like a selfish child.
That's his whole argument!
"You can't prove that I'm wrong!"
He has no facts. There is no room for blind faith when logical thinking is brought into the equation. He even gave false remarks that our founding fathers were strict christians. Then to go as far as to say Atheism is the cause off mass genocide because of no moral values? You should have good moral values or you = a bad person. I don't need some fucking book written by a bunch of old men to tell me that.
Right as a I heard him say "founding fathers", I knew it wasn't going to end well. Bill always finds a way to cut people off when it gets too sticky though.
well, people certainly know the right answer on here toolman. And if you dont agree with them you are no better than that bastard O'Riely. Oh wait. Hmmm...
Live your life as well as you can, be decent to others and help those in need once in a while. Do not waste a single moment worshiping any deity, instead set an example to others on how to be a decent and positive part of society.
All answers, rewards and clarifications will be given shortly after death.
I believe JerkStore so far. And Sloan, I already do that. Even on the internet, I'm kind and always willing to try and help with good advice to anyone who needs it. Right guys?
Catholic girls
with a tiny little mustache
catholic girls
do you know how they go
C G's
in the rectory basement
father riley's a fairy
but it don
t bother mary
C G's
at the CYO
C G's
do you know how they go
C G's
there can be no replacement
how do they go
after the show
all the way
that's the way they go
everyday
and none of their momma's ever seem to know
hip hip hooray
for all the class they show
there's nothing like a catholic girl
at the CYO
when they learn to blow
they're learning to blow
all the catholic boys
Warren Cuccurullo
catholic boys
kinda young kinda wow
catholic boys
Vinnie Colaiuta
where are they now
did they all take the vow
catholic girls
Carmenita Scarfone
catholic girls
hey, she gave me VD
catholic girls
Toni Carbone
with a tongue like a cow
she could make you go wow
VD vowdy vootie
right away
that's the way they go
everyday
whenever their mamma's take them to a show
matinee
pass the popcorn please
there's nothing like a catholic girl
with her hand in the box
when she's on her knees
she was on her knees
my little catholic girl
in the little white dress
catholic girls
they never confess
catholic girls
I got one for a cousin
I love how they go
so send me a dozen
C G's
ooooooh
C G's
oooooh
(etc)
Yes!
I was jamming out to some "We're Only in it for the Money" on the way to school today... I felt far more superior than everyone else listening to an i-pod on the train.
please. the filth and nonsense this guy spews would erase any publicity stunt charity he ever does.
you a fan of fox wario? Bill o is miles past annoying. he's a mouthpiece for a propagandist/fascist machine and it sounds like you have a soft spot for him.
I'll agree this guy is an egotistical blowhard, but what about all those self righteous CNN assholes? Rejecting one limb of the mass media while embracing another? It all sprouts from the same tree, myaaaan.
When I watch the news I go from Sky News, FOX, CNN, Russia today & Al Jazeera UK. It is amazing how different they are & it just jumps out at you. Media bias is funny as hell, but as equally frustrating.
cnn/fox are part of the establishment. they do soft news, sensationalize worthless stories and report exactly what they are told to.
We don't get al jazeera here, or russia today, or sky news, bbc is cool but it is only on for a few hours a day, npr and pbs are the best but I can't stand them begging for money all day.
I usually only read the paper.
Steve, It's funny what you said about pbs is always begging for money haha.
You guys should listen to "this american life" It has some good stories but it's not always real.
NPR has some excellent interviews sometimes, but yeah they beg alot. I've resigned myself to the fact that if you want the truth you've got to do some deep internet digging. TV and newspapers are propaganda as the world has never before seen(in the US anyway). Govt regulation of the internet under the guise of protection is coming soon.
I believe in god, but im not gonna try to force my beliefs upon someone else,i dont agree with that. Likewise, i dont believe atheists should always try to disprove peoples religion. its not affecting them, i could see if there was some crazy christian trying to tell them theyre wrong (i.e....this video) and you were trying to say why you believe what you believe, but i think everybody as people should just let their fellow man believe what he wants in peace.unless of course you believe in something like...killing babies or something. theres a reason we have freedom of religion, its so people can believe what they want, so how about people just stop arguing over whether god is real or not, if you believe in him then good for you, if you dont, then good for you, any debate like this is just gonna turn out making both parties look like a douche, its not like someone is gonna say "you know, what your right, god isnt real" or vise versa. so how about everyone stop using all this time and effort to disprove or prove that god is real, and use your time for something like helping society
But I have so much fun post shit like this to hear the same arguement time and time again. Although I didn't post this one so I can't take the credit this time. But I'll get another chance. Maybe politics next time.
i dont care either way.. but if someone in power makes a major decision based on talking with "god" then it is my fucking business. how about leading with a more unbiased view. im neither religious or atheist.. i just dont know and as such i try to not swing too hard one way or the other.. instead id rather compromise with people on both sides rather than... um... oh fuck it i dunno what im saying anymore.. boxing is on.
how can you retards hang out here & pretend to believe in god. if you know one thing from watching all the horror that we use as entertainment. there is no god, he does not give a fuck about you or anything else. you are like bacteria, a blip that few will ever notice and nothing will remember.
Dirtyrottensteve, it's called free will. If "god" were to intercede into everything then we would all cease to have free will. He's not going to stop governments in Africa from starving their populace. He's not going to stop a rapist from fucking a 5 year old. He's not going to stop shit.
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full of goatse,
the admin is with thee.
blessed art thou tits among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy photoshop, claude.
holy deja,
mother of mucho,
pray for us users now,
and at the hour of our posts.
While I'm not a Christian, nor can I even say I believe in God, I hate hearing stupid atheists argue against God as much as I hate hearing stupid Christians argue for God.
Speaking if you saw an owned pitbull tearing an owned golden retrievers apart wouldn't you do something about it, especially as an owner, aparently some most of the people in that vid don't. That does make me sad.
Im not religious by any means, i hate religion, but you are clearly an ignorant dumb fuck. do some research on the subject before you start hating it....mmmmkay
the burden of proof falls on the faithful. atheists already have a world full of technological gadgetry based off scientific understanding. the faithful have a collection of books written by cavemen with obvious flaws and contradictions in them.
exactly, its not like religion is making steps forward to prove the existence of """""god""""" which is why as people get smarter the faith in imaginary creatures ruling over people gets less and less, don't you think its odd how science has made leaps and bounds over the past 100 years even yet religion hasn't changed in thousands of years? you'd think in that time they would be at least a TINY LITTLE BIT closer to proving an existence in a supreme being wouldn't you?
My opinion on all of this is that religion is the largest big bussiness in the world. And with money, comes power, and if they heard what was going on around here, I'm sure you'd have someone trying to shut you down yak.
the argument went something like this:
god, 'i refuse to prove i exist for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
man, 'but the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED'
god, 'I hadn't thought of that'
and promptly vanished in a puff of logic
Religion hasnt changed in thousands of years? We used to go on fucking crusades. Christianity has changed a lot. And they dont have to "prove" shit. It's called faith.
You either believed something significant happened 2000 years ago, or you dont. You do not, you have made that clear. And that's ok. But people believe in God, and you cant do jack shit about it but end up sounding like a brat anyway.
People come back from being dead for a few minutes telling of seeing dead relatives. People say they have seen ghosts. But evidence this is not, right? Just nonsense.
A plane full of atheists goes down in the ocean, half of them will be praying to a God by the end.
how is your brains chemical impulses going fucking crazy when you are dying anything to do with god exactly?
its not.
and as far as people seeing ghosts, thats actually proof AGAINST christianity not for it.
Too many people report the same exact experience for it to be just chemical impulses. The existence of ghosts, or a soul, or life after death is not proof against Christianity. All Christians believe in spirits. What they're doing here, no one knows. Some Christians think it's a form of purgatory, others think they're here for some other purpose.
Regardless, having ANY existence after death completely flies in the face of atheism.
Yeah, because human brains aren't all structurally uniform or anything. The chemicals in the human brain wouldn't 'cause the same effect 'cause, ya know, they are all sooooo different.
All the chemicals of the brain effect people differently, in fact, we don't even all have the some chemicals...they are ALL different.
Just, do me a favour & don't go checking this out or anything. Just have faith in what I'm saying.
And that's not accounting for the placebo of the ones who just automatically assume that the blankness they see is god, dream states or made up stories.
Didn't we have a vid on here saying about DMT. Apparently all the experiences tend to be the same. You go to a room and see some 'being' made of pure energy...strange.
Oh & DMT is produced in the human brain &...er...released when you die.
omg you guys must be fucking joking. I had no idea I was 100 percent just like you guys! Does that mean I have an extra small dick Orange? Or was I born with an ass hole gene yak?
Holy fucking shit, I never knew we are all the same! I'm looking in a mirror right now and can see the logic! It's like we all lived pretty much the same lives to!
We are the same FUCKING PEOPLE! HOLY SHIT BALLS! 100% Percent THE SAME!
Obviously no K-Billy, like I said, we all have different brains & different chemicals which cause very different outcomes.
& yeah, the DMT which is realised by the brain when you die. All of the people who said that their reactions to it were all the same, & curiously equally similar to people who say that they had near death experience....they must be lying, huh?
I really wouldn't trust a religious person as much as an atheist. Now do I think that religious people should be allowed to make decisions, they don't use reason & logic, they're too susceptible to bullshit.
If you are ever in the states, i would love to hit you up for a drink sometime Oranje. Austin is a pretty liberal city, you would love it here. It's been in the 70's for the past month and a half. Beautiful weather. Sorry jones. I'm just agitated because I was a christian. but not really anymore. I still belive in something though. It just irks me that people put religion down when there has been obvious shit that's happened to suggest something else is out there after we die. Meh. I'm going to see a friend do open mic talk to you laters.
I think I am going to take a tour around the US in the near future. Save a little cash & book some time of and go coast to coast, or summat like that...?
Flights are cheap enough, it's the $100+ per night rooms, additional travel costs and a minimum of $150 each time I hit a firing range (which would be often) that stretches the wallet.
Going on a road trip causes arguments, as in you get to see the places I want to go to, not where you want to go. "Who's driving the fucking car anyway?"
Me and a friend had stumbled into mormons two days in a row having to listen to their preaching and praying for us randomly on the street, until I convinced them that I was a Jehovah, apparently they have an ongoing feud.
so a chemical impulse causes everyone to hallucinate the exact same experience of leaving the body and looking down upon themselves, their family, and the death bed? Gee, you'd think at least one would hallucinate about godzilla stepping on them in peewee's playhouse or something. given that their brain is going all out of wack and that hallucinations are just individual perceptions of reality.
Because of the fact that my dad had to tell his dad he was dead after a horrible accident killed him back in 86' It suggests there is an afterlife of some sort.
Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined. Structurally, it is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin and other psychedelic tryptamines such as 5-MeO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT. DMT is created in small amounts by the human body during normal metabolism[1] by the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase. Many cultures, indigenous and modern, ingest DMT as a psychedelic in extracted or synthesized forms.[2] Pure DMT at room temperature is a clear or white to yellowish-red crystalline solid. A laboratory synthesis of DMT was first reported in 1931, and it was later found in many plants.
-Wikipedia
People who are dying are going through severe trauma, they usually are aware of their mortal peril either consciously or unconsciously. If you introduce a psychedelic drug to that situation, the mind is more than likely to draw very similar conclusions. Especially if patient as a preconceived notion of what happens to their "soul" after death.
The bright OR lights shining through their eyelids, the natural adrenaline boost, the trauma, the Dimethyltryptamine making them trip balls in cooperation to other pain medication they might be on, and common religious views. All patients who see a glimpse of "The After Life" have these in common, making them imagine seeing the same shit. It's bullshit.
it is sad, both of these men are unwilling to discuss this concept. .. both are blindly spouting out their points. what O'dushbaggery failed to convey is that mister " I don't believe in GOD " is missing that fact that i don't need to prove there is a god. ..( the universe is sooo complex that if it was a fraction off on sooo many variables we wouldn't exist! So since we as educated beings, actually understanding how everything walking on a razors edge is prefect, then you need to prove to me that a master craftsman didn't create this. .. the real world.
prove that there is a god that created THIS planet.
exactly you can't.
science will however be able to prove the existence of other planets. with how many planets there are and how many solar systems there is a very decent chance that there are other planets that can support life (did i say human or carbon based life forms? no.)
religion however won't ever be able to prove the existence of a supreme being. what religion will do tho is keep getting wilted away by people using their brains to think about how stupid it is to worship a fairy tale creature that created *EVERYTHING* in what.. 6 days? lol.
do you know how many galaxies there are estimated at the moment to be visible just by current telescopes? 50billion. thats 50 billion galaxies VISIBLE to us at the moment..
now lets take that figure since its what we can currently see (obviously there are more galaxies that are further away or obscured) and take the number of stars in each galaxy. each galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars (so 100billion just to be average and low ball it).. guess how many stars that is (just low ball estimating based on the amount of galaxies that are currently visible)
5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (no joke)
take that and factor in how many planets are around stars (which is how most stars are actually detected because of the phase shift of the planet orbiting around the star), but lets say its 1 in a million for planets being around a star (not even talking about having life yet)
that gives us:
5,000,000,000,000,000 planets that are roughly currently visible in all of the galaxies that we are currently able to see with telescopes that exist right now.
now, lets say what? whats the chance of a planet that can support life? we've already found asteroids and such that have remnants of life on them, so what? another 1 in a million you think? is the chance of life on a planet that low? well lets say it is...
that gives you:
5,000,000,000 (5billion) planets currently in the galaxies that we can currently grasp that could have life on them, lets take it one step further because you obviously have problems believing in sheer math even though you have NO fucking problems believing in an imaginary ghost that created the world and has never been seen or proven.. EVER.
lets take that 5 billion which is 1 in 1,000,000,000 of all the planets (low ball estimate) that is out there (i mean we have way more than 1 planet around our sun, but we are just estimating that there is ONE single planet around ONE star in every fucking million in this.) and we will say no, life is even more rare than that, its 1 millionth of 1 millionth of a chance that life could exist on a planet, that still leaves fucking 5,000 fucking planets out of just those galaxies..
its not my problem that there are people dumb enough out there to not be able to comprehend the size of the universe (its actually a LOT larger than even what figures i've been using). but for some ignorant fucks to try to denounce logic and replace it with fucking "FAITH" because science can't (yet) give them the answers that "faith" i say fuck you.
People dumb enough. I find it interesting that 2000 years ago someone did enough to "prove" the existence of a God to the effect that a whole religion was founded and still exists today, but it's overlooked as gooblygook because people cant put their dick in a hole and say, "yes, that's real."
I dont believe the earth was created in 6 days. There are people who do. It may not fit science, but science changes it's mind all the fucking time on what they think is true or not.
I think there is life out there in the stars, I watched Contact as well and understand where Carl Sagan is coming from. It would be sad if there was nothing out there.
Still, you have not proved anything, and all the logic in the world does not make it a fact. Science can estimate and calculate but where is the hard proof? If you discount so easily what happened 2000 years ago, then why should I give credence to something that has yet to be proved but only speculated and theorized upon?
You know I am just playing the devils advocate here yak. I dont know if there is a God or not, but shit man. People are not retarded for believing in a higher power when ghosts and other weird fucked up shit suggests an afterlife of some sort.
science doesn't "change its mind all the time on what they think is true or not"
there is a difference between scientific fact and scientific theory. which i guess some people don't understand?
people are absolutely retarded for thinking a virgin gave birth to a zombie who says eat crackers and you will live forever. thats fucking naive. as is the majority of the followers. simple minded, uneducated, and intimidated by the stars.
It is no coincidence that all religions have one special guy, who wanders around alone in a desert, and comes back with all these fantastic far fetched stories, that everyone MUST take as absolute. We would call that person disturbed by today's standards and have him committed to bellvue hospital.
Dont you know Metalface that it's only the intellectually elite and nuanced who get to have the absolution of calling you retarded for what you believe? Your request will fall on deaf ears.
i'm making no claim towards a belief... but for arguments sake, a good point is made in this story as to the seven day theory coinciding with the theory of evolution
Penguins who could swim better caught more fish in that environment over "Penguins" who flew and couldn't swim that well. Penguins as a species didn't consciously evolve to swim and not fly, the stronger swimmers were more suited to pass on their DNA.
Are you watchin dik? Now THAT was a pwning. He owned that santimonious hyprocrite (yes hypocrite dik) harder than his ex co-worker who won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him for sexual harrassment...during a time when he was writing books advising kids on sexual matters, and proper behaviour!
Haha. I want O'Reilly dead. Worse than I want Archie from EastEnders gone.
Comments to Bill Oreilly. gets bitch slapped by Richard Dawkins
My vote goes to Zeus. Fuck these guys.
Lemmy is god!
may Odin have mercy on your poor souls for this blasphemy.
that dude just made bill o'reilly look like a bonehead
how so
Technoviking, Bill didn't prove one valid point. He avoided the confrontation by making a stupid joke and by interrupting Dawkins.
Why do you think Bill cut to commercial when Dawkins was in the middle of a point?
if you can't see that epic pwnage techobutt i'm not explaining it to you
To be fair, it doesn't really take much to make bill-o look like a bonehead...
A camera and a chance to speak is really all that is necessary for billy.
90% of people who watch his show on a regular basis actually believe what he says.
so he got owned by avoiding confrontation?
He got owned because he had no explanation to give him.
He avoided confrontation due to the fact that he had no evidence to support his theory except for his blind faith.
he he techobutt
Bill almost had a stroke when Hitler was mentioned as a roman catholic... lol.
"...so he got owned by avoiding confrontation?"
Well what the hell do you think? You are having a conversation/debate on a topic, and your only retort is to avoid valid responses and make jokes, interrupt someone from making theirs and cut the conversation short if it's plays toward the dislike of, not so much yourself, but the dislike of ones typical audience demographic, so as to appear that you have just won the debate when really you just turned it into a pointless argument. If you are a fan of the show, maybe you think Dawkins got "owned," but if you have any commonsense, you'll realize that Bill-O was acting like a selfish child.
I would think owning would involve proving bill was wrong
That's his whole argument!
"You can't prove that I'm wrong!"
He has no facts. There is no room for blind faith when logical thinking is brought into the equation. He even gave false remarks that our founding fathers were strict christians. Then to go as far as to say Atheism is the cause off mass genocide because of no moral values? You should have good moral values or you = a bad person. I don't need some fucking book written by a bunch of old men to tell me that.
Our founding fathers were not strict christians. Ben Franklin had lots to say about religion.
I'm not really seeing any bitch slapping.....pretty typical debate with equal points
hahaha what??
Bill is so smart!
Disprove something else to prove your point! hurray!
haha equal points? you fag. technoviking was epic, how dare you throw his name throw the mud with your faggotry!?
disregard technobutt's post, he sucks cocks
lol, faggotry.
man you owned me by calling me a fag
I'm throwin' in with techno....didn't see any bitch slapping.
I'm throwin' in with claude. There was no bitch slapping there, literally or figuratively.
The holy trinity of bullshit is right above me.
*bow*
**squat**
*wipe & flush*
Right as a I heard him say "founding fathers", I knew it wasn't going to end well. Bill always finds a way to cut people off when it gets too sticky though.
you wanna take this one, T.Paine
I wish someone could tell me the right answer.
Porn.
loads of cocaine and menthol ciggs.
well, people certainly know the right answer on here toolman. And if you dont agree with them you are no better than that bastard O'Riely. Oh wait. Hmmm...
Zappa.
Live your life as well as you can, be decent to others and help those in need once in a while. Do not waste a single moment worshiping any deity, instead set an example to others on how to be a decent and positive part of society.
All answers, rewards and clarifications will be given shortly after death.
maybe*
No, dude I was totally there and they told me.
Did they have big tits? because otherwise, you're lying.
Lets not got into this conversation.
When i think about the "end" to much, i always end up naked on some park bench with an empty bottle of S.C
too*
42
^duh
I'm beginning to wonder if the atheists are right, that the universe is our god, and the laws of physics the 10 commandments...
i want to worship the god who tells me how im supposed to fuck my girl...missionary is a pretty cool position amirite?
I believe JerkStore so far. And Sloan, I already do that. Even on the internet, I'm kind and always willing to try and help with good advice to anyone who needs it. Right guys?
tool, do you actually remember the words to "Catholic Girls" ?
Catholic girls
with a tiny little mustache
catholic girls
do you know how they go
C G's
in the rectory basement
father riley's a fairy
but it don
t bother mary
C G's
at the CYO
C G's
do you know how they go
C G's
there can be no replacement
how do they go
after the show
all the way
that's the way they go
everyday
and none of their momma's ever seem to know
hip hip hooray
for all the class they show
there's nothing like a catholic girl
at the CYO
when they learn to blow
they're learning to blow
all the catholic boys
Warren Cuccurullo
catholic boys
kinda young kinda wow
catholic boys
Vinnie Colaiuta
where are they now
did they all take the vow
catholic girls
Carmenita Scarfone
catholic girls
hey, she gave me VD
catholic girls
Toni Carbone
with a tongue like a cow
she could make you go wow
VD vowdy vootie
right away
that's the way they go
everyday
whenever their mamma's take them to a show
matinee
pass the popcorn please
there's nothing like a catholic girl
with her hand in the box
when she's on her knees
she was on her knees
my little catholic girl
in the little white dress
catholic girls
they never confess
catholic girls
I got one for a cousin
I love how they go
so send me a dozen
C G's
ooooooh
C G's
oooooh
(etc)
Yes!
I was jamming out to some "We're Only in it for the Money" on the way to school today... I felt far more superior than everyone else listening to an i-pod on the train.
Found it funny how the first thing bill gave was an argument involving biology/physics, considering that's pretty much Dawkin's profession.
The God Delusion was a pretty good read, can tell a professor wrote it.
.. not some self-righteous douche
I'll give it a read.
i was thinking about reading it but i can't read
I can read it to you after I tuck you in.
Do you come with your own catheter or should I make one out of straws?
I like O'Reilly's stand on Megan's Law and his charity, but he's annoying otherwise...
*charity work...
please. the filth and nonsense this guy spews would erase any publicity stunt charity he ever does.
you a fan of fox wario? Bill o is miles past annoying. he's a mouthpiece for a propagandist/fascist machine and it sounds like you have a soft spot for him.
I'll agree this guy is an egotistical blowhard, but what about all those self righteous CNN assholes? Rejecting one limb of the mass media while embracing another? It all sprouts from the same tree, myaaaan.
yeah, you're right, all the political bullshit all of them spew is annoying real fast...
When I watch the news I go from Sky News, FOX, CNN, Russia today & Al Jazeera UK. It is amazing how different they are & it just jumps out at you. Media bias is funny as hell, but as equally frustrating.
cnn/fox are part of the establishment. they do soft news, sensationalize worthless stories and report exactly what they are told to.
We don't get al jazeera here, or russia today, or sky news, bbc is cool but it is only on for a few hours a day, npr and pbs are the best but I can't stand them begging for money all day.
I usually only read the paper.
Steve, It's funny what you said about pbs is always begging for money haha.
You guys should listen to "this american life" It has some good stories but it's not always real.
I hardly ever read newspapers. It's online 80% of the time & 20% watching the news. It's when I watch the news I check those different channels.
reuters & timesonline is where it's at
All the boxing news has to do with english boxers on timesonline.
Screw david haye! He's going to get knocked out by a big russian.
I lie.
It's not as biased as i thought.
They give recognition where it's deserved.
lol
NPR has some excellent interviews sometimes, but yeah they beg alot. I've resigned myself to the fact that if you want the truth you've got to do some deep internet digging. TV and newspapers are propaganda as the world has never before seen(in the US anyway). Govt regulation of the internet under the guise of protection is coming soon.
I believe in god, but im not gonna try to force my beliefs upon someone else,i dont agree with that. Likewise, i dont believe atheists should always try to disprove peoples religion. its not affecting them, i could see if there was some crazy christian trying to tell them theyre wrong (i.e....this video) and you were trying to say why you believe what you believe, but i think everybody as people should just let their fellow man believe what he wants in peace.unless of course you believe in something like...killing babies or something. theres a reason we have freedom of religion, its so people can believe what they want, so how about people just stop arguing over whether god is real or not, if you believe in him then good for you, if you dont, then good for you, any debate like this is just gonna turn out making both parties look like a douche, its not like someone is gonna say "you know, what your right, god isnt real" or vise versa. so how about everyone stop using all this time and effort to disprove or prove that god is real, and use your time for something like helping society
But I have so much fun post shit like this to hear the same arguement time and time again. Although I didn't post this one so I can't take the credit this time. But I'll get another chance. Maybe politics next time.
i dont care either way.. but if someone in power makes a major decision based on talking with "god" then it is my fucking business. how about leading with a more unbiased view. im neither religious or atheist.. i just dont know and as such i try to not swing too hard one way or the other.. instead id rather compromise with people on both sides rather than... um... oh fuck it i dunno what im saying anymore.. boxing is on.
What fight?
Paul vs. winky isn't until the 11th
I want to, but I'm starting to wonder lately... I think we're on our own for handling our petty problems...
how can you retards hang out here & pretend to believe in god. if you know one thing from watching all the horror that we use as entertainment. there is no god, he does not give a fuck about you or anything else. you are like bacteria, a blip that few will ever notice and nothing will remember.
Enjoy your day.
PRAISE THE CHURCH OF MUCHOSUCKO!
what we do with your soul is our own fucking business.(tm)
for what we are about to recieve may Mucho make us thankful
Dirtyrottensteve, it's called free will. If "god" were to intercede into everything then we would all cease to have free will. He's not going to stop governments in Africa from starving their populace. He's not going to stop a rapist from fucking a 5 year old. He's not going to stop shit.
hail mucho,
full of goatse,
the admin is with thee.
blessed art thou tits among women,
and blessed is the fruit
of thy photoshop, claude.
holy deja,
mother of mucho,
pray for us users now,
and at the hour of our posts.
Amen.
I'm a little scared to be baptised though. I don't want my butt to hurt!
no pain no gynoherpasyphillaids!
While I'm not a Christian, nor can I even say I believe in God, I hate hearing stupid atheists argue against God as much as I hate hearing stupid Christians argue for God.
Mucho is a church? That explains the pew-pews. A-AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAhaaahaaa.*masturbates with cross*
By "with cross" I'm assuming you are inserting it into some bodily orifice and for some reason the peep hole keeps coming to mind?
I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's the most logical religion IMHO...
Tell Mr. Garrison, or what ever he's calling himself this week...classic.
Me too, myndseye. I'm a card-carrying Pastafarian.
Can I join you pastafarians?
All hail Spaghettians!!!!
*click* BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
Ramen to that my brother.
Holy crap, 24 O's - 1 ! = 23
I was thinking of you jones when i saw this video.
http://www.muchosucko.com/show/pit_bull_attacks_a_golden_retriever-40336/search
That just made me really sad :(
Speaking if you saw an owned pitbull tearing an owned golden retrievers apart wouldn't you do something about it, especially as an owner, aparently some most of the people in that vid don't. That does make me sad.
I would try to poke his eyes out or break his neck. People let fear get the best of them sometimes.
I hate pitballs, they give dogs a bad name.
Dawkins is a FAGOT fuck him , Hitchens is much brighter, also FOX news is awesome.
!?!?
haaaahaha
oops! Dont you know Delux that if you watch Foxnews you are an automatic idiot? Tisk tisk!
Dont you know that fucking retarded people on here confuse Hannity and Oriely for actual news, and not opinion?
Shame on you!
Hahahaha, Jesus is god? i thought they where 2 diffrent beings?
Im not religious by any means, i hate religion, but you are clearly an ignorant dumb fuck. do some research on the subject before you start hating it....mmmmkay
I thought Jesus was the son of God, not God, I didnt do research, but thats what I thought. Is Dave wrong?
jesus is part of the holy trinity all being one spiritual """"""god"""""" basically
all bollocks sow ho cares
A shit ton of people care you anal wart. We all know you dont care, so why dont you go to another thread?
You misspelt "morons"
Isn't god a jealous one?
Praying to all these saints seems silly.
The 1st testament lost me, the 2nd is just too much.
Dave Lister?
Gotta be a Brit.
Red Dwarf was good though.
The new Red Dwarf - Back To Earth 3 parter starts this friday. Yay!
i hope they dont fuck it up
Shall I bring fish and dicks?
I can't wait
I CAN'T FUCKIN WAIT YOU SMEGHEADS!!!!!!!!
Bronze Swimming Certificate
Is it going to be in America, or only on the BBC?
Its only DAVE Freeview channel
Best channel on British TV that.
It's supposed to be going out on the PBS channel in the USA but I don't know when.
Haven't seen any previews yet
Fingers are definately crossed
atheists try to convert christians, christians try to convert atheists, neither ever prove anything in their debates.
You can't prove a negative.
the burden of proof falls on the faithful. atheists already have a world full of technological gadgetry based off scientific understanding. the faithful have a collection of books written by cavemen with obvious flaws and contradictions in them.
exactly, its not like religion is making steps forward to prove the existence of """""god""""" which is why as people get smarter the faith in imaginary creatures ruling over people gets less and less, don't you think its odd how science has made leaps and bounds over the past 100 years even yet religion hasn't changed in thousands of years? you'd think in that time they would be at least a TINY LITTLE BIT closer to proving an existence in a supreme being wouldn't you?
My opinion on all of this is that religion is the largest big bussiness in the world. And with money, comes power, and if they heard what was going on around here, I'm sure you'd have someone trying to shut you down yak.
the argument went something like this:
god, 'i refuse to prove i exist for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.'
man, 'but the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED'
god, 'I hadn't thought of that'
and promptly vanished in a puff of logic
Religion hasnt changed in thousands of years? We used to go on fucking crusades. Christianity has changed a lot. And they dont have to "prove" shit. It's called faith.
You either believed something significant happened 2000 years ago, or you dont. You do not, you have made that clear. And that's ok. But people believe in God, and you cant do jack shit about it but end up sounding like a brat anyway.
People come back from being dead for a few minutes telling of seeing dead relatives. People say they have seen ghosts. But evidence this is not, right? Just nonsense.
A plane full of atheists goes down in the ocean, half of them will be praying to a God by the end.
how is your brains chemical impulses going fucking crazy when you are dying anything to do with god exactly?
its not.
and as far as people seeing ghosts, thats actually proof AGAINST christianity not for it.
Too many people report the same exact experience for it to be just chemical impulses. The existence of ghosts, or a soul, or life after death is not proof against Christianity. All Christians believe in spirits. What they're doing here, no one knows. Some Christians think it's a form of purgatory, others think they're here for some other purpose.
Regardless, having ANY existence after death completely flies in the face of atheism.
It's interesting how many peoples brains chemical impulses going fucking crazy when they are dying are so similar.
It's called logic you dumb piece of shit. It's interesting how cars react in a similar fashion if the radiator overheats.
And on top of that, it's even more interesting how people like you suck cock by choice.
Catholic priests have been making advances for thousands of years.
zing
Oh yeah, because i forgot how similar cars and human brains are. SILLY ME! LOL, fucking retard.
yeah, because every human is 100% different than every other fucking human..
Yeah, because human brains aren't all structurally uniform or anything. The chemicals in the human brain wouldn't 'cause the same effect 'cause, ya know, they are all sooooo different.
All the chemicals of the brain effect people differently, in fact, we don't even all have the some chemicals...they are ALL different.
Just, do me a favour & don't go checking this out or anything. Just have faith in what I'm saying.
Blind faith over logic?
I think not!
And that's not accounting for the placebo of the ones who just automatically assume that the blankness they see is god, dream states or made up stories.
Didn't we have a vid on here saying about DMT. Apparently all the experiences tend to be the same. You go to a room and see some 'being' made of pure energy...strange.
Oh & DMT is produced in the human brain &...er...released when you die.
Cunts.
the so called "spirit molecule"
Fuck man, I saw a light go across the sky last night for about a second, musta been one of them UFOs.
oh & btw, today is the 17th anniversary of Issac Asimov's death.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
omg you guys must be fucking joking. I had no idea I was 100 percent just like you guys! Does that mean I have an extra small dick Orange? Or was I born with an ass hole gene yak?
Holy fucking shit, I never knew we are all the same! I'm looking in a mirror right now and can see the logic! It's like we all lived pretty much the same lives to!
We are the same FUCKING PEOPLE! HOLY SHIT BALLS! 100% Percent THE SAME!
K-Billy is right, some people have hearts and kidneys while others have gum and Jesus juice inside of them, we're all built differently.
Obviously no K-Billy, like I said, we all have different brains & different chemicals which cause very different outcomes.
& yeah, the DMT which is realised by the brain when you die. All of the people who said that their reactions to it were all the same, & curiously equally similar to people who say that they had near death experience....they must be lying, huh?
lol @ Jones
Damn religious people are illogical.
I really wouldn't trust a religious person as much as an atheist. Now do I think that religious people should be allowed to make decisions, they don't use reason & logic, they're too susceptible to bullshit.
fuck you jones
Nor*
people also say dmt is a portal where you get to see another realm of existence, but meh, that would be suggesting something too profound again.
I see your a fan of Billo's techniques there Billy.
So small amounts of alternative realities are released into our brains each day then Billy?
I'd go for a drink with K-Billy, I just wouldn't put him in charge of the money.
What on earth would we do with magic beans?
I'd be intresting to see Christians cutting up people to harvest their dmt so they could make a magic teleportation potion for heaven.
If you are ever in the states, i would love to hit you up for a drink sometime Oranje. Austin is a pretty liberal city, you would love it here. It's been in the 70's for the past month and a half. Beautiful weather. Sorry jones. I'm just agitated because I was a christian. but not really anymore. I still belive in something though. It just irks me that people put religion down when there has been obvious shit that's happened to suggest something else is out there after we die. Meh. I'm going to see a friend do open mic talk to you laters.
^ which is why he has sand in his vagina. asshole religious douchebag got his religious bone broken on mucho.
I think I am going to take a tour around the US in the near future. Save a little cash & book some time of and go coast to coast, or summat like that...?
You'd need more than 'a little cash', oranje, the USA has become relatively more expensive recently.
That said, I want to go back over soon.
fugs, you rolling in cheddar?
Not everywhere is expensive.
Just stay away from large cities.
For my sake, not your wallets.
I don't really have the spare cash to travel right now, I might have to 'do a fries' and deal some dodgy cars to raise money.
You want to join me on a road trip Fugs?
We can split the 'gas' & share motels room. You'll also need to drive, I never got around to learning to drive.
Flights are cheap enough, it's the $100+ per night rooms, additional travel costs and a minimum of $150 each time I hit a firing range (which would be often) that stretches the wallet.
STEP AWAY FROM THE CITROENS FUGS!
Do you honestly think that I could keep a straight face while telling some guy that "This Citroen is a wonderful car."?
I don't see you jumping at the opportunity to be my driver?!?!?
Going on a road trip causes arguments, as in you get to see the places I want to go to, not where you want to go. "Who's driving the fucking car anyway?"
I have a spare horse and carriage if you guys need it.
Are you a Jew Mormon?
Mormons drive carriages?
Are you thinking of the Amish?
Oh, I don't believe anything written in books.
If god exists, he sucks at his job.
I think oj was hoping to cross of two things on his sexual accomplishments list.
haha fuck off
I guess I was thinking amish...
Retard in a wheelchair: check
;)
Mormons are a whole other crazy.
They think Jesus resurrected in America.
They also believe in magic underwear.
And god is a man who lives on a star named "Kolob"
Me and a friend had stumbled into mormons two days in a row having to listen to their preaching and praying for us randomly on the street, until I convinced them that I was a Jehovah, apparently they have an ongoing feud.
And black people were the followers of Lucifer.
Yea, mormons don't like the dark chocolate. It's a stain of evil or some bullshit.
so a chemical impulse causes everyone to hallucinate the exact same experience of leaving the body and looking down upon themselves, their family, and the death bed? Gee, you'd think at least one would hallucinate about godzilla stepping on them in peewee's playhouse or something. given that their brain is going all out of wack and that hallucinations are just individual perceptions of reality.
that was my point hotshot, how could the randomness be so consistent?
Why cant we agree that we dont know what happens after death other than the decomposition of our bodies.
Because of the fact that my dad had to tell his dad he was dead after a horrible accident killed him back in 86' It suggests there is an afterlife of some sort.
If I take that as fact it still doesnt prove anything. Its still really fun to fantisise about it though. Sure makes death exciting!
Dimethyltryptamine (DMT), also known as N,N-dimethyltryptamine, is a naturally-occurring tryptamine and potent psychedelic drug, found not only in many plants, but also in trace amounts in the human body where its natural function is undetermined. Structurally, it is analogous to the neurotransmitter serotonin and other psychedelic tryptamines such as 5-MeO-DMT and 4-HO-DMT. DMT is created in small amounts by the human body during normal metabolism[1] by the enzyme tryptamine-N-methyltransferase. Many cultures, indigenous and modern, ingest DMT as a psychedelic in extracted or synthesized forms.[2] Pure DMT at room temperature is a clear or white to yellowish-red crystalline solid. A laboratory synthesis of DMT was first reported in 1931, and it was later found in many plants.
-Wikipedia
People who are dying are going through severe trauma, they usually are aware of their mortal peril either consciously or unconsciously. If you introduce a psychedelic drug to that situation, the mind is more than likely to draw very similar conclusions. Especially if patient as a preconceived notion of what happens to their "soul" after death.
The bright OR lights shining through their eyelids, the natural adrenaline boost, the trauma, the Dimethyltryptamine making them trip balls in cooperation to other pain medication they might be on, and common religious views. All patients who see a glimpse of "The After Life" have these in common, making them imagine seeing the same shit. It's bullshit.
i ve got time till i die then we will see!
o reilly s argument is that atheism cannot tell him how he got on earth.
bible lets you accept your world without asking questions!
it is sad, both of these men are unwilling to discuss this concept. .. both are blindly spouting out their points. what O'dushbaggery failed to convey is that mister " I don't believe in GOD " is missing that fact that i don't need to prove there is a god. ..( the universe is sooo complex that if it was a fraction off on sooo many variables we wouldn't exist! So since we as educated beings, actually understanding how everything walking on a razors edge is prefect, then you need to prove to me that a master craftsman didn't create this. .. the real world.
Dawkins doesn't even come close to 'blindly spouting out his points'.
its not like this likely that this is the only fucking planet that can sustain life in the entire fucking universe.
Are you saying we should have "faith" there is another planet that has life? LOL "We just know there is another planet out there that has life!"
Fucking prove it.
prove that there is a god that created THIS planet.
exactly you can't.
science will however be able to prove the existence of other planets. with how many planets there are and how many solar systems there is a very decent chance that there are other planets that can support life (did i say human or carbon based life forms? no.)
religion however won't ever be able to prove the existence of a supreme being. what religion will do tho is keep getting wilted away by people using their brains to think about how stupid it is to worship a fairy tale creature that created *EVERYTHING* in what.. 6 days? lol.
do you know how many galaxies there are estimated at the moment to be visible just by current telescopes? 50billion. thats 50 billion galaxies VISIBLE to us at the moment..
now lets take that figure since its what we can currently see (obviously there are more galaxies that are further away or obscured) and take the number of stars in each galaxy. each galaxy contains hundreds of billions of stars (so 100billion just to be average and low ball it).. guess how many stars that is (just low ball estimating based on the amount of galaxies that are currently visible)
5,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (no joke)
take that and factor in how many planets are around stars (which is how most stars are actually detected because of the phase shift of the planet orbiting around the star), but lets say its 1 in a million for planets being around a star (not even talking about having life yet)
that gives us:
5,000,000,000,000,000 planets that are roughly currently visible in all of the galaxies that we are currently able to see with telescopes that exist right now.
now, lets say what? whats the chance of a planet that can support life? we've already found asteroids and such that have remnants of life on them, so what? another 1 in a million you think? is the chance of life on a planet that low? well lets say it is...
that gives you:
5,000,000,000 (5billion) planets currently in the galaxies that we can currently grasp that could have life on them, lets take it one step further because you obviously have problems believing in sheer math even though you have NO fucking problems believing in an imaginary ghost that created the world and has never been seen or proven.. EVER.
lets take that 5 billion which is 1 in 1,000,000,000 of all the planets (low ball estimate) that is out there (i mean we have way more than 1 planet around our sun, but we are just estimating that there is ONE single planet around ONE star in every fucking million in this.) and we will say no, life is even more rare than that, its 1 millionth of 1 millionth of a chance that life could exist on a planet, that still leaves fucking 5,000 fucking planets out of just those galaxies..
its not my problem that there are people dumb enough out there to not be able to comprehend the size of the universe (its actually a LOT larger than even what figures i've been using). but for some ignorant fucks to try to denounce logic and replace it with fucking "FAITH" because science can't (yet) give them the answers that "faith" i say fuck you.
People dumb enough. I find it interesting that 2000 years ago someone did enough to "prove" the existence of a God to the effect that a whole religion was founded and still exists today, but it's overlooked as gooblygook because people cant put their dick in a hole and say, "yes, that's real."
I dont believe the earth was created in 6 days. There are people who do. It may not fit science, but science changes it's mind all the fucking time on what they think is true or not.
I think there is life out there in the stars, I watched Contact as well and understand where Carl Sagan is coming from. It would be sad if there was nothing out there.
Still, you have not proved anything, and all the logic in the world does not make it a fact. Science can estimate and calculate but where is the hard proof? If you discount so easily what happened 2000 years ago, then why should I give credence to something that has yet to be proved but only speculated and theorized upon?
Wow, you type really well. And fast.
You know I am just playing the devils advocate here yak. I dont know if there is a God or not, but shit man. People are not retarded for believing in a higher power when ghosts and other weird fucked up shit suggests an afterlife of some sort.
science doesn't "change its mind all the time on what they think is true or not"
there is a difference between scientific fact and scientific theory. which i guess some people don't understand?
people are absolutely retarded for thinking a virgin gave birth to a zombie who says eat crackers and you will live forever. thats fucking naive. as is the majority of the followers. simple minded, uneducated, and intimidated by the stars.
It is no coincidence that all religions have one special guy, who wanders around alone in a desert, and comes back with all these fantastic far fetched stories, that everyone MUST take as absolute. We would call that person disturbed by today's standards and have him committed to bellvue hospital.
Well, it's nice you focused on that one sentence, and ignored everything else.
I misspoke. Science proves itself wrong alot. This is not unheard of.
Science is based on observation. If it were bunk, then we would never advance in technology.
You obviously misunderstand the message dirtyrottensteve. Everyone has a choice to take it as an absolute. There is no "MUST" about it.
yak- i'm not religious but if you want and explanation for the 6 days thing, i suggest reading 'inherit the wind'
I 'inherited the wind' the other night after a few beers and a curry.
Dont you know Metalface that it's only the intellectually elite and nuanced who get to have the absolution of calling you retarded for what you believe? Your request will fall on deaf ears.
i'm making no claim towards a belief... but for arguments sake, a good point is made in this story as to the seven day theory coinciding with the theory of evolution
Queefs aren't funny fugs.
Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving
And revolving at nine hundred miles an hour....
Neither are you...
scrape the sour cream out your vag.
Farts are funny and you stink Alec.
I'm just saying,
road warrior queefs = not funny.
And I was just saying,
Alec13 = not funny.
Alec13 isnt making much sense really
Cheeky, planet earth isn't "evolving"
it's changing. Evolving is only for benefit.
It's Python you fucknut
It's a Monty Python song. Look it up douchebag.
evolving pretty much means changing
Angels and God exist, they said so on Supernatural
Damn English humor.
I did like Life of Brian though.
Evolving is the change for the benefit of a species in most cases.
You don't hear of anything going backwards after it evolves.
not backwards, but wider for sure.
Flightless birds took a backward step.
penguins seem pretty successful to me. They don't need to fly because it is more useful for them to swim.
Everything must happen for a reason.
McG is always right on these things Manny
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Nope.
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Awwwwww Gutted!
*cries*
Penguins who could swim better caught more fish in that environment over "Penguins" who flew and couldn't swim that well. Penguins as a species didn't consciously evolve to swim and not fly, the stronger swimmers were more suited to pass on their DNA.
being humble is a christian virtue...somebody teach him what humble means
Honestly, I think it's funny as fuck that you dumbasses are arguing about God on this site. You have to admit, that's pretty funny.
So....lot's of people in Japan don't believe in god. Who would have thought a nation of Shinto/Buddhists wouldn't believe in god.
Buddha isnt THE god though is he...
He isn't A god either. And Fries, I think you've gotten the wrong end of the stick here...
It's a means of enlightenment grasshopper Fries
I've seen Passion of Christ, so i'm a believer!!!!
Are you watchin dik? Now THAT was a pwning. He owned that santimonious hyprocrite (yes hypocrite dik) harder than his ex co-worker who won a multi-million dollar lawsuit against him for sexual harrassment...during a time when he was writing books advising kids on sexual matters, and proper behaviour!
Haha. I want O'Reilly dead. Worse than I want Archie from EastEnders gone.
...and even though Dawkins sounds like he might enjoy a bit of the ole 'in-and-out' with Rish's asshole...he pwned nonetheless.
droppin them kubrick lines i see
Moi? Never, my brothers.