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Comments to Creationist Museum(waste of $25 million)
This is why we should outlaw religion.
That really would not help the situation. What you need to do is say that you found a hidden book in the woods that only you can read and that God told you about all secret like. Then you can make up whatever the fuck you want and get about 13 million people to believe you.
Ya cuz if one segment of one religion decides to waste their own money on something stupid it's a good reason to ban religion. Little fascist wannabe faggots like you are even worse than these fundie retards.
the problem isn't just this, its the fact that they are fighting (and winning) to start teaching it in schools as well....
To be fair though, the theory of evolution never really totally explains everything we can observe about life on Earth either. I'm really not opposed to entertaining the idea that at some point, somewhere in the history of the planet, there may have been some sort of intelligent stimulus when it comes to the creation and development of life.
Even scientists doubt their carbon dating techniques. How the hell can they prove their techniques are valid in only 200 years of data? You guys are fools to eliminate creationism at this point in our growth
How the hell can you prove dinosaurs and humans coexisted?
well... um... our understanding of geology pretty much wipes out your theory of creationism......
scientists don't "doubt" their carbon dating techniques... there is just mixed opinions on how accurate it is, and no matter how inaccurate it could possibly be, it is WAY more accurate than anything printed in a book that is less then 2000 years old before any sort of scientific theory existed.
At this point, id say that the techniques developed by scientists to answer these questions are just a lil bit more sophisticated than "the bible tells us..." sure the bible has some historical accurracies, thats cause it was basically a record of history, with a ton of metaphors that have been grosly misenterpreted.
Check history to see what will happen if we outlaw religion. Not like that is a new idea.
fools to eliminate creationism from scientific consideration? but there's nothing "scientific" about it. i love how religious nitwits try discrediting well-established scientific points in one hand, and then prop up a 100% conjured-up pile of horseshit in the other. this fossil isn't enough for you, that observation isn't enough for you, they show you fossil 1 and fossil 3, you say "where's fossil 2? your data is incomplete!" then they find fossil 2, and you ask "where's fossil 1.5 and 2.5?" it never ends, and you pretend you're standing on something other than a ridiculous story of a violent god, whose personality resembles that of a highly disturbed toddler, and whose own "morality" (rape, genocide, anyone?) is beyond contemptible. you and your religion should fuck off. way, way off.
its laywers that need to be outlawed ... fucking parasitic bastards
I am a creationsit, but this is just silly. Most creationists do not believe was the way it worked.
I dont think creationism should be taught or classified as "scientific." However, the creationist theory should at least be discussed as a possibility. Evolution is being taught in school when there are major holes still lurking in the theory. It's amazing the amount of "faith" people stock in a theory that has major holes. The people who say, "we will figure it out someday anyway, and you are an idiot if you dont believe it already." This is not an acceptable answer. Creationism should be discussed in some form or another at least. Perhaps evolution and creationism BOTH play a part in our history? It would certainly fill in some holes. To blithely say I am right and you are an idiot is quite ignorant.
It's interesting, but I am not aware of any science being concrete with only one example. I thought what made science science was the proof and proving of your theory. Tired Guy says, "it never ends." Yeah, fuck all those pesky people who want all this "evidence." Jesus, cant they all just be happy with Points 1 and 2? What a fucking r tard.
The problem is, K-Billy, many of these 'holes' creationists point out, aren't holes. Many 'holes' which have been pointed out by retarded creationists on here have been proven wrong by myself, never mind other people too. Creationists like to say that there is no proof of 'links' in evolution, showing the changes that mammals/fish/birds have gone through, I proved that to be untrue. Idiotic creationists has claimed that a god much have invented live opposed to the big band because life can't come from nothing. I have proven that it is not only impossible for there to be 'nothing' but life can come from as close to 'nothing' as you can imagine & I provided proof with references to experiment.
It isn't that the evidence isn't there. It is that moronic creationists don't know about it, refuse to acknowledge it or simply do not understand it.
^ a 'few' spelling mistakes & general fuck ups in there, but you'll get it.
You don't seem to be that stupid K-Billy, but you do believe some crap.
I actually am pretty skeptical about creationism. You say you have provided all this evidence, and I am sure you have. We have all been over this, ad nauseum.
It is still an interesting subject for me, however, because of the nature of the Cell and DNA and the beginning of life in the world. (Which the explanations for, have been pretty weak.)
"Yeah, fuck all those pesky people who want all this "evidence." Jesus, cant they all just be happy with Points 1 and 2? What a fucking r tard"
That was the bit that got me the most. The link would be 1.5 & there are fossils showing the link, yet creationists keep saying that the lack of evidence of a link discredits evolution & its just soooo wrong.
1 example was a mammal with wings, feathers, fingers like a bat with a jaw instead of a beak.
What do you mean with you second comment. Be more specific & I may be able to point you in the direction of some interesting points.
The platypus is also a fantastic example of cross specials & genetics etc. It is pretty much a living link.
Let me just do what I do best & get some info from wiki for you, to show you what I mean....
"The platypus genome also has both reptilian and mammalian genes associated with egg fertilisation. It also lacks the mammalian sex-determining gene SRY, meaning that the process of sex determination in the Platypus remains unknown. A draft version of the platypus genome sequence was published in Nature on 8 May 2008, revealing both reptilian and mammalian elements, as well as two genes found previously only in birds, amphibians and fish. More than 80% of the Platypus' genes are common to the other mammals whose genomes have been sequenced and the study has proved that the platypus was the first species to diverge from reptile to mammal."
& that is just a little snippet. Open your eyes a little...?
& check out the Urey/Miller experiment too.
That experiment
Ovis.
sorry, had to make brown. Urey/Miller, ok. will check that out.
Hmmmm. Which do I choose? Believe in evidence witnessed all over the globe presenting a THEORY supported by the greatest scientific thinkers of the last century, or a completely unfounded, unsupported GUESS?
GUESS!
yeah, Not-OK-Billy, i'm a retard because i place scientific evidence over an ancient book of nonsensical stories. if you say so.
INFIDEL
BTW Christians, there are no primary sources to prove Jesus Christ ever existed.
"had to make brown"? Is that some weird way of saying you had to take a dump?
yes, irish it was...
*now hates Kbilly even more than before...
I think so. Sounds pretty childish, doesn't it?
Scientific theory, Scientific Fact Thats pretty funny. Funny how it changes especially. Lets see...at one time the world was flat and science was so in tune with religion that claiming it was round sent you directly to hell and the authorities would expedite your arrival there. How about how science in medicine thought that you could bleed out impurities to save someone. "Dont argue with me mister, I am a trained in this scientific procedure." How about them dinosaurs, Hey they were reptile monsters, Wait a minute! Check that..they were more like birds...Yeah they didnt roar, they kind of screeched, look at the skeleton, like birds..Oh, nope maybe not. Getting away from that now.
the difference there godzilla is that science uses a scientific method in order to solve theories, it was never believed as FACT that dinosaurs were reptile monsters, it was just one of the best thought out theories at the time, that has of course been proven wrong (and within 200 years of discovering evidence of dinosaurs). science in its current state isn't that old, so a lot of the theories are still being revised, religion has not changed since it was created, because it can't break from the religious canon very easily or it starts to destroy the entire structure of the belief system. saying something like dinosaurs were believed to be coldblooded reptiles instead of warm blooded mammals is very understandable based on biology, especially when you are studying things that are millions of years old... HOWEVER its not that hard to study rock formations that have been doing the same thing for billions of years and fit that into proving that the human race was not living around any time even REMOTELY near when the dinosaurs existed.. in order for that to be true it would be like saying the moon was made out of cheese in this day and age and actually believing it.
Well it seems that neither is supported enough then. To me the Bible is just a book.but if god is all that superbeing that it is claimed to be. And was capable of creating everything, it could have created it with dinosaur bones if it wanted. In fact if it was out strolling around looking for a good place for people it might pick a planet capable of swupporting life and wipe out those big lizards for the new chosen life. I love science, knowing science it is much easier to believe in the idea of a god, as to believe in this great universe of ours..all these miraculous things that came together to form life just happened by coincidence.
There is no such thing as scientific fact, everything is a theory. It's just that when a theory has 100s of years of evidence supporting it, and nothing that can contradict it, people tend to regard it as a fact. Our understanding of gravity is still just a theory for example. The thing that separates science from religion though is if someone could produce some compelling evidence contradicting our current understanding of gravity science would change the theory. Religion gets its information from ancient texts and ignores all contradictory evidence, and will never change. There is nothing you can tell someone who truly believes in this nonsense that will convince them its not true.
who cares.
I do.
Wow, hell must have frozen over. Tired guy actually responded to me. Anyway, I was saying you were a retard because people find some of your "evidence" non conclusive or incomplete. "Disqualification of one theory is no basis for an inference to another. That is called a non-sequitur and itâs a well known logical fallacy."
So far, the evidence or lack of evidence has not convinced me either way. I still lean way more to evolution, but there are still many questions that have not been answered by science.
Orangie, I just responded to your Uray/Miller experiment and then it just got erased. Fuck. Anyway, you failed to mention the counter arguments. "It is now believed the early earth's atmosphere did not contain predominantly reductant molecules. Also, another objection is that this experiment required a tremendous amount of energy. While it is believed lightning storms were extremely common on the primitive Earth, they were not continuous as the Miller/Urey experiment portrayed." To give credit, organic compounds were formed. But perhaps the experiment itself was a little off.
oops, forgot the webpage...
http://www.chem.duke.edu/~jds/cruise_chem/Exobiology/miller.html
"Dinosaurs must of been vegetarians initially."
Says my views on creationism perfectly.
Think they may have said "must HAVE" been vege...FFS! I'm not even a spelling/grammar cop but this 'must of' bullshit is really pissing me off. And it's apparently 100% US-led.
It arises from the abbreviation, must've,
could've, might've etc. phonetically the
sound is "of" and people have
got too lazy or stupid to think first
you can't prove it wrong. therefore, it must be true.
This is the worst kind of ignorance, its the adult equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears and yelling i cant hear you. There is no point in trying to convince these people they are wrong because nothing you could ever say can convince them. If they weren't trying to indoctrinate everyone around them with their delusion i'd actually pity these people.
If only you understood the concept of sarcasm Adams.
the force is weak in you, 42
Haha.
hmmm, i would have thought it was clear when i directed my comment at "these people" instead of "tiredguy" that i agree with the point that tiredguy was making and just expanding on it...
Coverup?
I think the idea of a creationist museum is retarded, but this place looks awesome.
its like any other museum. Dont read anything, just look at the dinosaurs
^sounds like a good way to sum up the whole topic
Here are several problems with taking the Bible literally:
1) How many people have ever read the original Bible? Not a translation, I'm talking the very original hand-written documents in their original language? Anyone who knows even a tiny bit about the history of the Bible knows that a great deal has changed over the centuries due to translation.
2) Did God physically write the Bible himself? No. Even the most completely brain-washed religious person has to admit that the Bible was written by humans. And the Bible itself says that humans are all imperfect and can never be perfect, which means that the Bible is imperfect. The only thing supposedly written directly by God himself were the 10 Commandments.
Yo momma's so old, she co-wrote the bible.
Both of those arguments have been pretty thoroughly answered by theologians. It's more difficult than that to ask difficult questions.
lol urkle
..pretty thoroughly *incorrectly* answered by theologians...
Dont forget FirstReflect, the bible was also compiled by humans. That means that there are a number of texts written by supposed eyewitnesses that were rejected. Why? Sounds like bullshit to me.
Holy Bejesus...this fuckin place WOULD be in Kentucky...God Bless my backwards assed relatives...
i just watched maher's "religulous" and it was great. should be shown in all elementary schools.
A damn good movie. "Faith means making a virtue out of not thinking."
if you liked religulous you should read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, great book.
^^^fucking commies
Yeah, damn socialist baby killers!
Slightly disagree with the God Delusion 'must-read' ethos. Dawkins is something of a anti-hero to normal critical thinkers as he's far too militant. He actually creates problems for the majority of atheists.
oooh i missed this thread. i just mentioned it in my post.
Watch it again!
Dawkins is right to be militant. Religion is a negative force in the world and to concede that creationism is any kind of viable explanation of the origin of life is ridiculous. It's an anti-explanation.
Unfortunately religion is a negative force. But it's turning around. Slowly. Of course, you would know this if you attended, or sometimes attended religions institutions and churches and listened to some of the more radical ways of thinking. Ways of thinking that include not pissing off every person who is not religious and trying to implement your beliefs on them. And until you can create a viable mico evolution model that can be observed, then the evolution theory remains just that. A theory.
K-Billy- At least there is evidence. There is no evidence of creation, so its not even a theory.
Lmao, I'm putting this on my: Places to see before I die, list. Would be a fun place to fuck around in.
that and jesusland?
yeah! Go streaking in Jesus land and take a dump in the nativity.
That would be for after he dies.
i think i'll stick with the bunny ranch and amsterdam over this or jesus land
haha flintstones
I am envious of the amount of dedication that this degree of ignorance must require.
Plus, I want a pet velociraptor.
I was walking through the woods the other day and a burning bush says that my way is the right way!!!i can't prove it because the bush disappeared and i was the only one there but why would i lie... follow me believers and i will show you how the world was REALLY created...gos also said when you come bring punch and pie
I was walking through the woods the other day and a burning bush says that my way is the right way!!!i can't prove it because the bush disappeared and i was the only one there but why would i lie... follow me believers and i will show you how the world was REALLY created...god also said when you come bring punch and pie
You can say that again.
AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Aliens made us.
more likely then god
we came from the soil
i come from the water
I cum all over your mommas' faces.
What a stupid collection of goddamn worthless morons.
hahaha
No way in hell am I getting involved in any creationism/evolution arguments again. It really is an exercise in futility; stupid people can stay stupid.
Liar. See above. Wiki-power in full force.
I tried, & yes, I used wiki.
Why make claims you cant prove?
Only idiots like you can't back up what they say.
Not true. You ARE a spunk-bubble, and you prove it here every day.
Don't get all emotional on me, I'm not a social worker.
Clean up that blood Leona. Now.
go team usa!
It's funny that even with all the evidence against Adam and Eve, people still believe in it. .
.
.
I am holding up a pen. I can say that the pen is blue. I can believe that pen is blue. I can write a book on how that pen is blue start a religion on it, and have millions of followers. Wars can be started on how the pen is believed to be blue. It won't change the fact that the pen is red.
allright then go and found a church
It's a pencil.
Adam and Eve were, in fact, (inasmuch as fact can be) Akhenaten and Nefertiti.
A brick wall has a better chance of understanding modern science and evolution than any creationist ever will.
"Looks hard. GOD DID IT!"
Faith is for the weak minded.
i hate these people, and i hope they hate me more
I believe in God but I don't think that the bible is completely true. Considering one of the most corrupted government/ religion of its time was in charge of writing it, coping it and re-writing it.
God hates you for saying that.
smacked...either you beleive in the bible as the Literal Word Of God, or you are simply a gay russian communist fag who wants all of us to grow our hair long and become girls...
(Book of Dad, Chapter Three, verses 1 - 8 )
I don't see where the big panic over teaching this in schools is. If anything, they're pushing religion out of public institutions.
Religulous everyone Rent this flick/Documentary
good shit.
I find it funny how most of you call us Christians "non-thinkers" when you've never read more than a page of the bible (or the New Testament) for yourself. 4 separate accounts from 4 totally different people are bound to have some inaccuracies but on the whole most of the LARGE points match up, which means that they are true. This part of history is one of the most frequently recorded portions in all of recorded history and somehow religious people have it wrong? I'm sure most of you people who don't know Jesus didn't even know that. I'm also sure there is a lot more you don't know. But in time I hope and pray that you find a way to see the truth because we are all made to connect with god at some point. To say that all religious believers don't think is itself thoughtless and hypocritical.
you are a little too late.
btw I'm fine with people criticizing the bible but I KNOW that a lot of people don't really understand what they are criticizing in the first place. i respect people who understand that the bible is a true account of history by the people living it at the time and, TRULY understand that the people writing it only wrote the history down because of their interactions with Jesus and the compelling feeling of god, not knowing that their jounrals would ever be read in the year 2009. I respect the person who understands all those facts but still has something intelligent to say about the accuracy of science and such. Thats because I do study Science and I take time to understand the opinions that contradict mine. I just hope that you can do the same. If you bash the bible and don't know much about it, do some homework before you speak. And I say that with love! - no disrespect. Oh and if you're wondering what a Christian is doing on MS...well...I like my fair share of F***ed up S*** too.