I agree with Swappi, and it pisses me off. Fuck Christians and all other religion. Especially Jews...Fuck you Jews...There is no fucking God, and you can't prove it.
The Jews stole their creation story (the second one) from the Mesopotamians and changed it around to make the serpent evil because the mesopotamian god was a serpent.
Question for Hank: Wouldn't Confuscianism and/or Buddhism be "logical religions" because they don't necessarily believe in any higher being, just people being able to reach a higher state of being.
I don't see why that would make them any more logical. I can't speak about Confucianism, but Buddhism claims to have some knowledge of a metaphysical nature, transcendance and reincarnation, for example. I don't think there is anything logical or reasonable about metaphsical beliefs.
i thought religion was sth like masturbation too. the real world is shitty, no purpose, no satisfaction, you are a failure, so you begin to fantasize...
Thr truth is that science uses proof and religion is opposed to it. There are lots of things wrong with 'faith', since it means believing in imaginary creatures the way you are using the word.
And, Fries, noone know whether or not Jesus actually existed.
it's a law of averages really , there must have been loads of people called Jesus who lived in that region at that time. one of them must have been crucified.
I'm not approving religion but you have to admit Hank, the way you go aboot trying to counter religion is as bad as a zealot trying to convert a motherfucker.
What about me is like a zealot? I trust in reason. Religion trusts in faith. Very different. I wonder what you'd have me do differently, PH? Acknowledge their beliefs as plausible? They aren't.
Why would I worry about hell if I don't believe in it? The ridiculous religious fuckers are the ones worrying over a bunch of nonsense. That's why a lot of them join up, they are scared of going to hell.
"Believing in relgion really makes a person look dumb" Hank you have really outdone yourself. Than i guess pretty much everyone is stupid. you take the line, "ignorance is bliss" to a whole new level
religion or no religion i believe we all should go through life using the "golden rule" wether you die and go to heaven or are simply recycled molecules and all back into the earth.
"Thr truth is that science uses proof"
bullshit... science is based on theory not fact, theory is a *belief that seems to make more since than others, science is not fact...
Science starts out with a theory and then uses experiments to prove it or disprove it. Saying that science is just another belief system shows that you are totally ignorant as to what science is. I'm not surprised, I guess, considering the quality of schools in Louisiana.
speak for myself? so you're telling me that saying "probably about 95% of the population has some form of religion" would be a ridiculous statement? pray to your bottled god ass clown.
I don't believe that 95% of the population has some form of religion. Also, I think you'll find that the percent of religiousity decreases the more education one recieves and is highest among the teeming ignorant masses.
A more useful question, according to Richard Dawkins, is "Why is the God meme so popular?"
People will believe in religion because it gives them comfort. Being pretty much obviously nonsense isn't a barrier to that belief. Comfort has a higher value than the truth.
fair enough MrButtfucker, i deserved that for not using the reply button...but i would like to point out that you two spend a shit load of time on mucho where atheism is probably very popular... and intelligent people are religious because the world didnt start with the "big bang". And if science is so fuckin great at showing there is no god, why havent they disproved it yet?
Whether or not a big bang started the world has no bearing on the intelligence of religious people. Also, I was referring to education, not intelligence. Studies have been done, I'm not going to look them up for you, that show as education level increases likelihood to believe in any god decreases.
Secondly, science isn't concerned with proving or disproving the existence of god. God is, by defininition, metaphysical. Science deals with the physical world. Also, it is impossible to prove something doesn't exist. Science can't prove Santa Claus doesn't exist, but like god, it isn't very probable that he does.
ok guy, studies could also show that black people are way less intelligent that white people (do some research on the school system), do you believe that? also, the second part of ur comment is just mindless bullshit. are you telling me that psychologist arent in the science field. Wow you sure showed me hank, try again.
Any scientific study is open to review and verification by other scientists. Bogus studies are eventually disproven. What disproves religion? Nothing, because religion doesn't use proof or evidence. No matter how ridiculous the religious belief system is, it can't be disproven.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the second part of my statement. Maybe you just didn't understand it.
point is they're finding more and more evidence. I dont remember when they found them, but the scrolls were some of the first documents to be put in the bible. and when they compared the current texts with those of the scrolls, it was like over 99% accurate. My point is that we are finding more and more evidence each day that prove these stories from the bible were true. What we've learned from the past is mostly from written records so why should the ones from the bible be false? You are a faithless idiot, babbling about how there is no god and blah blah blah....
All that the Dead Sea scrolls prove is that there were manipulative morons in that part of the world two thousand years ago. Like we didn't already know that.
no shit, i never said the sea scrolls prove the bible is real, im saying that as time goes on, we find more proof of these stories, we may never find the hard facts but we are finding out a lot more.
religion is definately a huge topic, but as stupid as you think i am for believing in it, i think you guys are just as dumb to imply that people who believe in god are uneducated. well not you manny, but spanky up there.
People can believe in whatever they choose to, I've nothing against it at all, and I know that all you're doing here is standing by your beliefs, which is commendable. I do, however, have a problem with people pushing their own beliefs on to others and trying to state "This is fact, look we have evidence!" when nothing they provide as "evidence" proves the point they're trying to make. Once again this isn't me calling you out on it. You don't seem half as bad as any Creationists that anyone would care to name, they just seem to typify (to me) the kind of bigoted, zealous, manipulative, narrow minded pricks that are the main cause for this kind of debate escalating into something more extreme than a mere exchanging of words.
I hear ya man, I definately respect other peoples' opinions, and there choice of beliefs is not really my business. However, like you, i do hate when people get fanatical and start pushing their beliefs, or imply things about others that don't agree with them.
what got me into this conversation was spanky saying "Believing in religion really makes a person look dumb." How fucking ignorant is that? I don't look down on my atheist friends...its their choice, but when asswipes like hank say shit like that, it pisses me off.
Believing in religion really makes a person look stupid.
This damn thread hasn't let me post a comment for two days now and I'm tired of retyping my comments.
There is no rational reason to believe in any god, and why anyone would cherish a silly fairy tale as truth is beyond me. As I've said many times, seemingly intelligent people will believe in the weirdest shit.
REligious nuts hate being questioned about obvious flaws in their belief by attacking science, but have no problem using the technology that science produces (cars, computers, TV, et al). Damn hypocrits.
Comments to Logic
so very true
not at all. Conventional is religous. wars are started over religion.
You should have been stoned at birth.
Its not too late
I'm always stoned... wait...
I agree with Swappi, and it pisses me off. Fuck Christians and all other religion. Especially Jews...Fuck you Jews...There is no fucking God, and you can't prove it.
Jew, Whunu...Jhunu...
If not at birth Hank atleast when he was a little kid... like that little kid who was hittin the pipe...
How about you prove that i dont have a baseball.
If I don't see it, then it's not there
FSM's proof of existence is his invisibility.
I like to make that last face when I have to talk to other people's children.
why not children in general, you pussy?
Who don't you slash your wrists, you pussy?
I don't have kids. And, I wouldn't talk to them if I did.
Valid.
not at all.
Fuck off Exo, you are a moron.
Christians are about as logical as Goatse.
(=âââ=)
You take that back!
"christians"...thats a funny way to spell "all religions you stupid fuck"
Your air quotes are all fucked up.
christians are only logical to the idea of converting sensical religion into idiotic fanatics who love to wave their hands in the air and prayer!!!
Sensical isn't a word, but if you meant 'sensible religion' then that is an oxymoron. You are just a plain moron.
All religion, since christain and muslim are based on the jewish religion.
*christian
You sure about that?
and jews are based on egyptians which are based on the aliens that came and built the pyramids
did you really think a bunch of niggers could work that hard?
How hard would you have worked, I wonder?
All religion came from jews, ahahahaha.
The Jews stole their creation story (the second one) from the Mesopotamians and changed it around to make the serpent evil because the mesopotamian god was a serpent.
thank God (?) for the History Channel...
drumrave youre smart. all religion is "stolen" from one place or another in history. many peopel dont realize this.
I try not to show it off too much morph, I like to surprise people :P
Then where did religion start, Morph?
people trying to explain where they came from, and what caused death and national diasters
natural*
I was just wondering if Morph knew.
Question for Hank: Wouldn't Confuscianism and/or Buddhism be "logical religions" because they don't necessarily believe in any higher being, just people being able to reach a higher state of being.
I don't see why that would make them any more logical. I can't speak about Confucianism, but Buddhism claims to have some knowledge of a metaphysical nature, transcendance and reincarnation, for example. I don't think there is anything logical or reasonable about metaphsical beliefs.
Gotcha
Religion is what you do if you can't figure out how to masturbate.
i thought religion was sth like masturbation too. the real world is shitty, no purpose, no satisfaction, you are a failure, so you begin to fantasize...
When you believe you're going to live forever, you're just jerking off.
i has an secund grayd ejucashun
Very true. once you reach the third grade you might actually learn to spell cursive.
Tired Guy was smarter than you are now when he was in the third grade.
I'm willing to bet, based on how Hank's mood is today, that he either didn't get laid or is drunk. Any takers???
I haven't been laid for maybe 3 days now and have a slight buzz. It's not that. This Exo fuck is just a moron and I strongly dislike religion.
For once I find myself agreeing with Hank. I promise, it'll never happen again.
exo once you reach the age of 60 you might have enough change and food stamps saved up to pay a dirty crackwhore to touch you.
Religion is for people who can't face the truth that we all die, and that's that. Nothing more.
..wait...WHAT?...no virgins?
Actually being religious helps you face the truth, but whatever floats your boat man. Oh and when I prayed on this god said to tell you to "Fuck Off".
Religion has absolutely nothing to do with the truth. It has to do with faith only.
but its true the Jesus existed
Nobody here knows the truth. If you do post proof. So there's nothing wrong with a little faith.
The baseball above doesnt exist.
Thr truth is that science uses proof and religion is opposed to it. There are lots of things wrong with 'faith', since it means believing in imaginary creatures the way you are using the word.
And, Fries, noone know whether or not Jesus actually existed.
The baseball exists, retard.
Why are otherwise normal people complete fucking morons when it comes to believing in some "god"?
There really was a person called Jesus and he was crucified around 1980 years ago , whether he was the son of God is unproven
Whether there was any such person is unproven.
it's a law of averages really , there must have been loads of people called Jesus who lived in that region at that time. one of them must have been crucified.
Is that the basis for your belief in Christianity? You are dumber than I thought.
I'm not approving religion but you have to admit Hank, the way you go aboot trying to counter religion is as bad as a zealot trying to convert a motherfucker.
What about me is like a zealot? I trust in reason. Religion trusts in faith. Very different. I wonder what you'd have me do differently, PH? Acknowledge their beliefs as plausible? They aren't.
Don't worry Hank, you'll only burn in hell for an eternity.
Why would I worry about hell if I don't believe in it? The ridiculous religious fuckers are the ones worrying over a bunch of nonsense. That's why a lot of them join up, they are scared of going to hell.
We cant prove that Satan does not exist , it is pretty hot in the centre of the earth ,the supposed position of Hell.
i plan to convert on my deathbed - just in case
We can't prove that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist.
There is a huge difference between the possibility of something existing and the probability of something existing.
Are you really this dumb, Fries? Please tell me you are just joking.
i'm hopeing to convert my bed into a sex den
Believing in religion really makes a person look dumb.
Good night, dumbies.
Nite nite Hanky xx
"Believing in relgion really makes a person look dumb" Hank you have really outdone yourself. Than i guess pretty much everyone is stupid. you take the line, "ignorance is bliss" to a whole new level
Speak for yourself Endo, I'm doing something that I promised in an earlier thread I'd never do again, and agree with Hank.
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I need a drink -_-
religion or no religion i believe we all should go through life using the "golden rule" wether you die and go to heaven or are simply recycled molecules and all back into the earth.
If there was a heaven, and by some fluke I end up there, I'd probably soon be kicked out for being drunk and disorderly.
I'm not reading all that, but I'm pretty sure that I'm God.
"Thr truth is that science uses proof"
bullshit... science is based on theory not fact, theory is a *belief that seems to make more since than others, science is not fact...
*sense
"I am, I said
To no one there
and no one heard
not even the chair"
...all world religions can be explained by ANY Neil Diamond song...
Science starts out with a theory and then uses experiments to prove it or disprove it. Saying that science is just another belief system shows that you are totally ignorant as to what science is. I'm not surprised, I guess, considering the quality of schools in Louisiana.
Very true hank. Saying science is a belief system is a way for the relious nuts to unsuccesfully disprove science and enhance their own beliefs.
speak for myself? so you're telling me that saying "probably about 95% of the population has some form of religion" would be a ridiculous statement? pray to your bottled god ass clown.
They have bottled god ass clowns now? Where do you find those? On the shelf next to reply buttons?
I don't believe that 95% of the population has some form of religion. Also, I think you'll find that the percent of religiousity decreases the more education one recieves and is highest among the teeming ignorant masses.
A more useful question, according to Richard Dawkins, is "Why is the God meme so popular?"
i could never figure out how some apparently intelligent, educated people could possibly be religious..but somehow there seems to be
People will believe in religion because it gives them comfort. Being pretty much obviously nonsense isn't a barrier to that belief. Comfort has a higher value than the truth.
fair enough MrButtfucker, i deserved that for not using the reply button...but i would like to point out that you two spend a shit load of time on mucho where atheism is probably very popular... and intelligent people are religious because the world didnt start with the "big bang". And if science is so fuckin great at showing there is no god, why havent they disproved it yet?
Whether or not a big bang started the world has no bearing on the intelligence of religious people. Also, I was referring to education, not intelligence. Studies have been done, I'm not going to look them up for you, that show as education level increases likelihood to believe in any god decreases.
Secondly, science isn't concerned with proving or disproving the existence of god. God is, by defininition, metaphysical. Science deals with the physical world. Also, it is impossible to prove something doesn't exist. Science can't prove Santa Claus doesn't exist, but like god, it isn't very probable that he does.
You've really outdone yourself here, Bendo. Really fucking stupid reasoning.
ok guy, studies could also show that black people are way less intelligent that white people (do some research on the school system), do you believe that? also, the second part of ur comment is just mindless bullshit. are you telling me that psychologist arent in the science field. Wow you sure showed me hank, try again.
Any scientific study is open to review and verification by other scientists. Bogus studies are eventually disproven. What disproves religion? Nothing, because religion doesn't use proof or evidence. No matter how ridiculous the religious belief system is, it can't be disproven.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the second part of my statement. Maybe you just didn't understand it.
Right dude, google the dead sea scrolls and get some knowledge.
oh yeah, and notice how i dont have to write a fuckin novel to prove this shit, take some notes jr.
You didn't prove anything, but I agree, you should write less, because the more you write, the more stupid you sound.
Now, why would I google the dead sea scrolls, for what purpose?
I read the wiki entry on the dead sea scrolls. So what? I've no idea what your point was.
point is they're finding more and more evidence. I dont remember when they found them, but the scrolls were some of the first documents to be put in the bible. and when they compared the current texts with those of the scrolls, it was like over 99% accurate. My point is that we are finding more and more evidence each day that prove these stories from the bible were true. What we've learned from the past is mostly from written records so why should the ones from the bible be false? You are a faithless idiot, babbling about how there is no god and blah blah blah....
All that the Dead Sea scrolls prove is that there were manipulative morons in that part of the world two thousand years ago. Like we didn't already know that.
Oh, and it's not evidence that the stories were true, it's evidence that the stories were written a long time ago. There's a big difference, you see.
no shit, i never said the sea scrolls prove the bible is real, im saying that as time goes on, we find more proof of these stories, we may never find the hard facts but we are finding out a lot more.
religion is definately a huge topic, but as stupid as you think i am for believing in it, i think you guys are just as dumb to imply that people who believe in god are uneducated. well not you manny, but spanky up there.
People can believe in whatever they choose to, I've nothing against it at all, and I know that all you're doing here is standing by your beliefs, which is commendable. I do, however, have a problem with people pushing their own beliefs on to others and trying to state "This is fact, look we have evidence!" when nothing they provide as "evidence" proves the point they're trying to make. Once again this isn't me calling you out on it. You don't seem half as bad as any Creationists that anyone would care to name, they just seem to typify (to me) the kind of bigoted, zealous, manipulative, narrow minded pricks that are the main cause for this kind of debate escalating into something more extreme than a mere exchanging of words.
I hear ya man, I definately respect other peoples' opinions, and there choice of beliefs is not really my business. However, like you, i do hate when people get fanatical and start pushing their beliefs, or imply things about others that don't agree with them.
what got me into this conversation was spanky saying "Believing in religion really makes a person look dumb." How fucking ignorant is that? I don't look down on my atheist friends...its their choice, but when asswipes like hank say shit like that, it pisses me off.
Believing in religion really makes a person look stupid.
This damn thread hasn't let me post a comment for two days now and I'm tired of retyping my comments.
There is no rational reason to believe in any god, and why anyone would cherish a silly fairy tale as truth is beyond me. As I've said many times, seemingly intelligent people will believe in the weirdest shit.
"You cant prove that i dont has a baseball...and if you dont bow down and worship my supposed baseball with me...well, i'll just kill you"
^Muslim.
^I love you.
^Gaaaaaaaaaaaay
^Jealous?
Absolutely
All I will say is that there are assholes on both side, so this could just as easily be turned around.
yep - atheism is also a religion - and it's equally intolerant...(see Soviet history)...
Athiesm is not a religion.
this made my day
atheism ftw
Yes.
^I love you.
Thank you.
me too
^&^^ Gaaaaaaaaaaaay
I love you all.
^^Jealous Fugs?
REligious nuts hate being questioned about obvious flaws in their belief by attacking science, but have no problem using the technology that science produces (cars, computers, TV, et al). Damn hypocrits.
God provided the knowledge to build such things.
Science asks questions and then seeks for the answers.
Religions believe they already have the answers. They don't seek new knowledge and will often vehemently oppose it.
Have my babies.
donovan's an atheism groupie
Is Donovan a man or a woman?
i'd be worried if i was you hank, you've got a stalker