1st.... WTF was with the Akira banner thingy? Stupid Fucks.
2nd.... The skins brought those bats to defend themselves from the anti-facists. It was obviousley for defense. The skins were severely out numbered and protests are known to get violent. Urban Primitive, I find you primitive.
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While your on a web site like ms.How dumb are people?I just laughed at the silly nazi's."Hey guys let kick the crap out of them.ohhh shit they got guns.sorry."You people dn't know how well you really have it.First off most of you would be put to death under nazi power.Second you have no Idea what it is like to live under control of a dictator.Yea yea bush is a dick,but you do have some sayso.Try voteing.Oohh what in sad little world you live in.
Johnny seems to be confusing "communism" and "dictatorial." There's whole lot more to communism than government repression, seeing as it's mostly (if not entirely) an economic theory. Theoretically, communism only is meant to restrict personal freedom in the economic sphere (no personal property being a big one), but it's never played out that way.
Johnny's argument speak to lousy government, corruption, and (maybe) repression, but, again, none of that has anything to do with communism, beyond their being traits that all communist governments have shared.
And Nazis (fascists) and communists are on the opposite ends of the spectrum (= total opposites), so I don't see how they needed to be brought up in relation to this veedeo.
economic freedom and personal freedom are not two seperate things but one in the same. Marx was a hack of a philospher a joke of an economist and a tyrant in the field of political action.
fascism is not the opposite end of the spectrum. It is socialization through extreme regulation, a European brand socialism. There was a term for nazis in germant before they came to power which basically meant something like 'burnt meat'... because though they wore brown uniforms at the time, they were red on the inside.
Well that's a controversial topic on what side of the spectrum facism is to communism. Some would argue that facism is even more left wing than communism as it openly legitmises force as a method of centralised government. In fact Mussolini was ejected from the Italian communist party for being <too> left wing.
^ Perhaps, but I don't see how you can get past the whole allowing personal property thing. That's a huge one, for me. The facists were all over private industry, wheras the communists don't like it one bit. Whether you're allowed to run a small business, personal farm, or even own your home is an issue that is so central to the human condition that the two (fascism and communism) can't be put on the same pole, as far as I'm concerned.
Mind you, I'm no political scientist, and am not up on the theories which categorize these things. I've never heard about the institutionalisation of violence as a political marker, although I will agree that the fascists certainly were really good at it. I think the commies just had to resort to state violence because their theoretical mandate runs so counter to human nature. We all want to look after ourselves, and our families, before we start worrying about other people. It takes a lot of fear before people are going to bury that impulse.
Anyway i can see what JONNYCHO was trying to say, well i think, we are led to believe that we as the people of a democratic society have the power to decide who governs us but really we dont have fuck all, and just to use a southpark analagy "its a vote between a giant douch or turd sandwich".
Whatever you guys think about the French if a revolution is needed they will do it.
By the way those nazi heads looked like vicious bastards, imagine getting into a 1 on 1 with some of them(then imagine waking up in hospital if your lucky)
It's not something you can put your finger anymore over the course of history. Although capital may have remained in private hands it was still under control of essentially a corporate government. It had the best of both worlds so to speak where there was central planning however the ruling classes were still able to own the capital.
What I meant by violence was that facists saw violence as a legitimate tool to impose their ideology whereas communism was (at least originally) intended as a peaceful and internationalist ideology which incidentally goes against the notion of a "communist state." But that's politics for you.
Whatever way society trys to pretend or is blisfully ignorant to ,not much has changed, the rich are getting richer and the imagrints are the "new" under class.
the rich get richer due to governmental control of the monetary system and the mercantile system of government which... ironically... the very people who oppose the 'income gap' support.
Its like they diagnose a illness, then treat it with more of the disease.
I'm totally with you on the violence point, chairman. It's just that it seems that every decade, or so, a new batch of up-in-coming academics have to come along and turn everything on its ear. It's too hard for them to break into original territory since there isn't any secondary material on it, so they rehash the same topics and keep reinventing the wheel.
It would seem that the controversy you refer to over communism = far left, facist = far right, fits into the scenario that I've just described. Some newcomers to the ivory tower have to make a name for themselves so they are striking at an idea that is very well established. But I don't take that sort of shit seriously, since EVERY widely held notion is controversial in academic circles. It's the very nature of academia.
I know what you're trying to say and I see it too although I've decided to steer clear from the ivory tower in that particular field. If it's any consolation what I was talking about was something from a number of decades ago.
the thing is that in germany many desperate people (mostly the unemployed) will vote for NDP (something like NSDAP, you might remember them from WW2).
It's not like there's gonna be another Beer Hall Putsch, and if it would fail again. But many are pissed that so many unemployed will vote for them just because they are desperate and angry about the situation in germany.
It's sad that in those videos it always looks like all germans are nazis. I know some and they are no nazis.
These things get off topic so fast...
If you only worked so hard in life as you do some of your posts, you might make your mothers proud.
I liked the video, It was a quick escalation to violence. Busting out the bats and guns to express yourself is much more influential than posting your opinion on this site, ha.
Wait, i just posted my opinion. Now I suck just as hard as the rest of ya's.
For exactly 1 Minute i saw this Video on TV and thought, uhm, MS is faster then German TV hehe. They reported that the "kicker" has to go to court cause of his kick and he dealed with illegal CDs like BH, JS etc.
Just i some1 cares ;)
I like it when neo nazis/skin heads get owned. They have a culture of getting owned at the school I goto. No one likes them. That's why everyone stomps on them when they get the chance.
Comments to Neo-Nazis vs. Anti-Facists
Isn't funny how the anti-fascists are campaigning to oppress the rights of people who are not like them?
agreed. apparently freedom of speech/thought only swings one way with these goons
OMG this was a total waste of my life. Who were that good guys, who were the bad guys? I can't tell who is evil when both sides are speaking german...
Silly skinheads, bringing bats to a gun fight
wow i come to check out mucho before i go to bed... and i just waisted 5 minutes of sleep time watching this crap
1st.... WTF was with the Akira banner thingy? Stupid Fucks.
2nd.... The skins brought those bats to defend themselves from the anti-facists. It was obviousley for defense. The skins were severely out numbered and protests are known to get violent. Urban Primitive, I find you primitive.
3rd.... White Pride. (world~wide)
1st.... You know, I'm just liberal enough to let most ridiculous beliefs slide for the sake of respecting the right to think differently.
2nd.... But not skinhead nazi cocksuckers. Fuck them.
3rd.... White Trash. (apparently world wide~or at least in Germany)
Dude I'm niether of the 2 above, but I gotta say I'd go bashing those fucks with baseball bats, hell ya to the skinz
germans are KOOL
nice kick faggot
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While your on a web site like ms.How dumb are people?I just laughed at the silly nazi's."Hey guys let kick the crap out of them.ohhh shit they got guns.sorry."You people dn't know how well you really have it.First off most of you would be put to death under nazi power.Second you have no Idea what it is like to live under control of a dictator.Yea yea bush is a dick,but you do have some sayso.Try voteing.Oohh what in sad little world you live in.
what the hell are you talking about communism for? are u saying that the US is communist? are you 12 years old? go pop your spots
McWoozy, u have to read the whole text, not just the first sentence. But JONNYCHO had forgotten ppl here cant read that much.
Johnny seems to be confusing "communism" and "dictatorial." There's whole lot more to communism than government repression, seeing as it's mostly (if not entirely) an economic theory. Theoretically, communism only is meant to restrict personal freedom in the economic sphere (no personal property being a big one), but it's never played out that way.
Johnny's argument speak to lousy government, corruption, and (maybe) repression, but, again, none of that has anything to do with communism, beyond their being traits that all communist governments have shared.
And Nazis (fascists) and communists are on the opposite ends of the spectrum (= total opposites), so I don't see how they needed to be brought up in relation to this veedeo.
economic freedom and personal freedom are not two seperate things but one in the same. Marx was a hack of a philospher a joke of an economist and a tyrant in the field of political action.
fascism is not the opposite end of the spectrum. It is socialization through extreme regulation, a European brand socialism. There was a term for nazis in germant before they came to power which basically meant something like 'burnt meat'... because though they wore brown uniforms at the time, they were red on the inside.
Well that's a controversial topic on what side of the spectrum facism is to communism. Some would argue that facism is even more left wing than communism as it openly legitmises force as a method of centralised government. In fact Mussolini was ejected from the Italian communist party for being <too> left wing.
^ Perhaps, but I don't see how you can get past the whole allowing personal property thing. That's a huge one, for me. The facists were all over private industry, wheras the communists don't like it one bit. Whether you're allowed to run a small business, personal farm, or even own your home is an issue that is so central to the human condition that the two (fascism and communism) can't be put on the same pole, as far as I'm concerned.
Mind you, I'm no political scientist, and am not up on the theories which categorize these things. I've never heard about the institutionalisation of violence as a political marker, although I will agree that the fascists certainly were really good at it. I think the commies just had to resort to state violence because their theoretical mandate runs so counter to human nature. We all want to look after ourselves, and our families, before we start worrying about other people. It takes a lot of fear before people are going to bury that impulse.
"YEAAAHH!".....on whatever he ^ said..!
By the way....."FAKE"
Anyway i can see what JONNYCHO was trying to say, well i think, we are led to believe that we as the people of a democratic society have the power to decide who governs us but really we dont have fuck all, and just to use a southpark analagy "its a vote between a giant douch or turd sandwich".
Whatever you guys think about the French if a revolution is needed they will do it.
By the way those nazi heads looked like vicious bastards, imagine getting into a 1 on 1 with some of them(then imagine waking up in hospital if your lucky)
By the way this is Muchosucko and you's are getting into a debate on Marxism lol
It's not something you can put your finger anymore over the course of history. Although capital may have remained in private hands it was still under control of essentially a corporate government. It had the best of both worlds so to speak where there was central planning however the ruling classes were still able to own the capital.
What I meant by violence was that facists saw violence as a legitimate tool to impose their ideology whereas communism was (at least originally) intended as a peaceful and internationalist ideology which incidentally goes against the notion of a "communist state." But that's politics for you.
Whatever way society trys to pretend or is blisfully ignorant to ,not much has changed, the rich are getting richer and the imagrints are the "new" under class.
the rich get richer due to governmental control of the monetary system and the mercantile system of government which... ironically... the very people who oppose the 'income gap' support.
Its like they diagnose a illness, then treat it with more of the disease.
I'm totally with you on the violence point, chairman. It's just that it seems that every decade, or so, a new batch of up-in-coming academics have to come along and turn everything on its ear. It's too hard for them to break into original territory since there isn't any secondary material on it, so they rehash the same topics and keep reinventing the wheel.
It would seem that the controversy you refer to over communism = far left, facist = far right, fits into the scenario that I've just described. Some newcomers to the ivory tower have to make a name for themselves so they are striking at an idea that is very well established. But I don't take that sort of shit seriously, since EVERY widely held notion is controversial in academic circles. It's the very nature of academia.
I put my time in at the academic millstone.
I know what you're trying to say and I see it too although I've decided to steer clear from the ivory tower in that particular field. If it's any consolation what I was talking about was something from a number of decades ago.
either way those faggots with the bats woulda got demolished
You were the one that brought it up.
Those are not skinheads. Those are neo nazis.
the thing is that in germany many desperate people (mostly the unemployed) will vote for NDP (something like NSDAP, you might remember them from WW2).
It's not like there's gonna be another Beer Hall Putsch, and if it would fail again. But many are pissed that so many unemployed will vote for them just because they are desperate and angry about the situation in germany.
It's sad that in those videos it always looks like all germans are nazis. I know some and they are no nazis.
Wow, I didn't realize that the Germans were into Baseball that much!
These things get off topic so fast...
If you only worked so hard in life as you do some of your posts, you might make your mothers proud.
I liked the video, It was a quick escalation to violence. Busting out the bats and guns to express yourself is much more influential than posting your opinion on this site, ha.
Wait, i just posted my opinion. Now I suck just as hard as the rest of ya's.
For exactly 1 Minute i saw this Video on TV and thought, uhm, MS is faster then German TV hehe. They reported that the "kicker" has to go to court cause of his kick and he dealed with illegal CDs like BH, JS etc.
Just i some1 cares ;)
HITLER HAD A TIME MACHINE.AND HE SAW THAT IN THE FUTURE,THE JEWS WOULD BE THE CAUSE OF THE DECLINE OF MODERN CIVILIZATION.
THE END IS NEAR.COMING SOON.
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I like it when neo nazis/skin heads get owned. They have a culture of getting owned at the school I goto. No one likes them. That's why everyone stomps on them when they get the chance.
god i was hoping for sumit beta than that. guns are for pussys
Wouldnât it be great if everyone fucked off back to where they (or there family) originally came from? I for one wouldnât complain.