Commercial for the station wagon by Dacia/Renault. TV Spot starring Che Guevara, Fidel Castro, Mao Tse-Tung, Karl Marx, Lenin, Martin Luther King, Rosa Luxemburg, Ho-Chi Minh and Mahatma Gandhi. Long Version.
I have the Bolivian Diary & The Motorcycle diaries about 4ft away from me now. Read 'em both, & I'm fully aware how simple folk would read them, then still fall for the myths & conclude that he's a great man. But no, he was a bloodthirsty maniac on a par with Charles Manson.He murdered thousands, for no more then they refused to follow him.
You're the kind of guy that loves historical revisionism. I would bet anything you slag off Ghandi as a selfish, manipulative bastard any time his name comes up.
"Oh Ghandi, that wanker. He was a self-serving prick. Ask any Indian. They'll tell you the same. They don't understand why you Americans idolize the dick."
He was a racist who had no time for black people, fully supporting the idea of a 'pure race' & I know you're not a fan of racism. He was elitist & did much to further widen the gap between upper and lower caste Indians. The class system in India is far worse, even now, that it ever was in England, & we sill have aristocrats. Although, they now have to burn their furniture to heat the rooms of their dilapidated stately homes (haha tossers)
Are you sure what you are saying is true, Oranje? You sure that the sources for your info are that much better than the sources for the opposing viewpoint?
Well considering that his racist/elitist opinions are down in black and white, yes, I'm pretty confident.
If I didn't believe/agree with something you was saying, I'd check it out. So, I understand what you're saying, but do some research yourself & you'll see that there is a lot more to him that most people realise.
You can start here, with some very basic points.
I mentioned the caste system, Hindus refer to it as verna & it means separating the 4 levels of class by skin colour with the darker being the lower. Use google & you'll find a few comments by him on his views of black people.
He fought against the black in South Africa.
He started a newspaper called the Inidan Opinion & you'll find plenty about how he wanted to bring the Indians & Europeans closer together whilst dehumanising black people who, in his words "whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
Unlike you, I don't jump on side with option A if I find option B unattractive. I'm as impartial as impartial gets. Whereas you're a pretty biased person who will hold hands with the enemy of your enemy.
He jumped ship quite early, cheeky. It was obvious we were going to win, so he started saying how he didn't care & how it was unfair. Apparently, it was unfair because our guys were better than theirs, go figure...
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Che, what a prick.
If you wear a Che tshirt, you're a prick.
Most of the kids that wear them can't spell "Che"
Ernesto Guevara was a great man. Neither of you two are worthy to wash his socks.
He's a complete myth, but I'm sure you'll enjoy reading Companero when the cops finally catch up with you, Pedo-man.
Your a myth.
No, wait, I meant miss.
I have the Bolivian Diary & The Motorcycle diaries about 4ft away from me now. Read 'em both, & I'm fully aware how simple folk would read them, then still fall for the myths & conclude that he's a great man. But no, he was a bloodthirsty maniac on a par with Charles Manson.He murdered thousands, for no more then they refused to follow him.
Great man my fucking nob end.
You're the kind of guy that loves historical revisionism. I would bet anything you slag off Ghandi as a selfish, manipulative bastard any time his name comes up.
ghandi...what a douche
fucking hate ghandi
I've heard several English slag off Ghandi.
"Oh Ghandi, that wanker. He was a self-serving prick. Ask any Indian. They'll tell you the same. They don't understand why you Americans idolize the dick."
Etc...
He was a racist who had no time for black people, fully supporting the idea of a 'pure race' & I know you're not a fan of racism. He was elitist & did much to further widen the gap between upper and lower caste Indians. The class system in India is far worse, even now, that it ever was in England, & we sill have aristocrats. Although, they now have to burn their furniture to heat the rooms of their dilapidated stately homes (haha tossers)
Don't get me started on Mother Teresa.
Hank, you're quite right that I don't devour and regurgitate the same tired old lines about people like Che, Gandhi or Mother Teresa.
Benjamin Frankly, now he too was a lying sack of shit. One of your countries most successful propagandists.
Are you sure?
Che was a hero. Without him Cuba would be a shithole that people would risk their lives to escape.
I'm not sure about which part you're referring, but the answer is confidently & unequivocally, yes.
I must say, I'm a little disappointed you didn't ask what problem I have with mother teresa. I wanted to go on another rant.
Don't go slaggin Mother T I'll have NUN of it.
Feel free to rant away. You could make a revisionist rant about anyone, I'm sure.
Here's a challenge, make a revisionist rant about Winston Churchill.
What I'm saying is true though, it just isn't the commonly held illusion...sorry...belief.
wanko was funny..you two are boring me
nothing personal
to e fair i only read his comment..for all i know you guys are hilarious
you can say what you want but please refrain from foul language
Are you sure what you are saying is true, Oranje? You sure that the sources for your info are that much better than the sources for the opposing viewpoint?
Piss off, Dik.
dont you swear at me you greasy chink
This might not be the best point to bring it up OJ but have you ever rubbed 1rish1's nose in the Ultimate Fighter UK vs US finale?
If anyone doesn't like me bringing this up, well fuck you.
To be honest about Gandhi, I think he did many great things in both South Africa and India but like many hero figures he wasn't entirely blemish free.
Well considering that his racist/elitist opinions are down in black and white, yes, I'm pretty confident.
If I didn't believe/agree with something you was saying, I'd check it out. So, I understand what you're saying, but do some research yourself & you'll see that there is a lot more to him that most people realise.
You can start here, with some very basic points.
I mentioned the caste system, Hindus refer to it as verna & it means separating the 4 levels of class by skin colour with the darker being the lower. Use google & you'll find a few comments by him on his views of black people.
He fought against the black in South Africa.
He started a newspaper called the Inidan Opinion & you'll find plenty about how he wanted to bring the Indians & Europeans closer together whilst dehumanising black people who, in his words "whose occupation is hunting and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with, and then pass his life in indolence and nakedness."
Yeah, yeah , yeah....blah blah blah
Did you rub 1rish1's nose in it or what?
Not everyone can be as pure, honest, and wonderful as Rush Limbaugh.
Now they also have civil war as an occupation.
Yes, cheeky, of course.
Tired Guy, you think I'm a fan of Rush now?
Unlike you, I don't jump on side with option A if I find option B unattractive. I'm as impartial as impartial gets. Whereas you're a pretty biased person who will hold hands with the enemy of your enemy.
I didn't really care at all. I was just playing devil's advocate, but now maybe I will look up Ghandi, etc...
damn....missed it
He jumped ship quite early, cheeky. It was obvious we were going to win, so he started saying how he didn't care & how it was unfair. Apparently, it was unfair because our guys were better than theirs, go figure...
Ha ha! You go girl!!!!
yeah, dumbass, because i've always been such a fan of clinton and now obama. oh how you know me...
As well as you know me.
What the fuck did Rush have to do with anything, you soft cunt.
Or do you always interrupt people to talking to mention how you don't like right wing political commentators.
You must be great fun at parties.
*lemon parties
This left me terribly confused
FUCKING SHITE
Great men, every one of them. But Che was allergic to mosquitoes. What a faggot.
che was the saddam hussein of liberty..think about it
eh?
Nice car.